Zeldo - Ban Appeal

Norogro · December 28, 2012, 5:21am

That’s the thing. The admins have no proof of a bannable offence occurring, so why was there a ban?

Korakoff · December 28, 2012, 5:22am

Seriously? These are the only servers that have any players on them. After Goonhaven went down, all that’s left is this. That’s like saying “Why not just not steal, and if you did/didn’t, don’t get mad?”
It’s not that he’s mad because his image is being tarnished, you guys are ruining his experience in game by limiting his server list to 3 servers.
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that would be unfortunate, wouldn’t it.

PandaK · December 28, 2012, 5:23am

God damn, you guys are dense.
Why have appeal threads if there is literally NO way to get a ban appealed because the site community is full of “no, I don’t want to be fair, or actually contribute anything but the word no”

And it’s the principle of giving people second chances and not being power grubbing morons.

ReubenMcHawk · December 28, 2012, 5:24am

…Because they saw it with their own eyes. They don’t need to prove anything, especially not to some chumps from 4chan.

Uh, because some people don’t deserve them? It’s not a “get out of ban free card”.

Ryu · December 28, 2012, 5:26am

Cant we just lock this thread,perma him and problem solved.

Norogro · December 28, 2012, 5:26am

ReubenMcHawk post:64:

Norogro post:61:

ReubenMcHawk post:58:

Nein post:54:

Reuben, just stop now.
I know you want to protect this from the flames, but you’re just adding oil. Let it be.

This is really ridiculous (and funny). “Hacking” isn’t anything like robbing or murder. The little defenders of Colorpinpoint and the other admins/moderators are the ones who are stirring things up.

As opposed to the “little defenders” of Zeldo, whose defenses seem to be full of “well you have no proof”, and “omg badmin”?

That’s the thing. The admins have no proof of a bannable offence occurring, so why was there a ban?

…Because they saw it with their own eyes. They don’t need to prove anything, especially not to some chumps from 4chan.

PandaK post:56:

Why even have ban appeal threads if you’re just going to go “lol, no, I don’t wanna”?

Uh, because some people don’t deserve them? It’s not a “get out of ban free card”.

So this all breaks down to the argument that “Whatever the admin says, goes”

Why even have an appeal center if it all boils down to totalitarianism from the admins?

Nein · December 28, 2012, 5:26am

So you’re saying that it’s better to say “The admins said it so it’s true” other than “There’s no proof”. Admins word > Proof?
So far the defenses for the admins/mods are this:
“THE MOD SAID IT, so it must be true.”
“The mod has proof but he doesn’t want to show it.”
“The mod did this so I believe him because he’s the only one I can trust no matter what because he’s a mod forget all other arguments. You just got logix’d.”
None of this was said by Colorpinpoint. And for that, I feel bad for him.
And now, presenting real arguments makes us the wrong ones?
Like a lack of evidence? Saying that it’s bad for an admin to ban without giving evidence besides their word?
Well, alright then. Nice to know how these servers work.

Ferrom · December 28, 2012, 5:26am

How could he possibly do that?
The Admin says that he was “looking” through walls, yet said admin cannot provide any sort of evidence that he did so. No outrageous k/d. No video. Nothing.
How do you refute an argument without a solid base?

Norogro · December 28, 2012, 5:27am

And then there’s this guy

Nimbus · December 28, 2012, 5:27am

Zeldo, stop trying to hide yourself as Nein. We know that you are the same person.

PandaK · December 28, 2012, 5:29am

I’m not even trying to flame anyone, this site is just full of morons, and it’s hard to not point out stupid flaws in their arguments.

Is it really this hard to just give someone the benefit of a doubt, and see if he’s really hacking?

Like, christ.

It’s super easy to just look down and see people through blocks. Some people are GOOD at a game. And last I checked, one person thinking someone is banning != proof that he’s banning.

Can I at least compare this game to the Salem Witch Trials case?
“She’s a witch!”
“How is she a witch!?”
“Someone told me that they saw her being a witch!”

Read The Crucible, I read it like in sophomore year of high school, and it touched on this ideology really well.

DoctorHound · December 28, 2012, 5:30am

ReubenMcHawk post:64:

Norogro post:61:

ReubenMcHawk post:58:

Nein post:54:

Reuben, just stop now.
I know you want to protect this from the flames, but you’re just adding oil. Let it be.

This is really ridiculous (and funny). “Hacking” isn’t anything like robbing or murder. The little defenders of Colorpinpoint and the other admins/moderators are the ones who are stirring things up.

As opposed to the “little defenders” of Zeldo, whose defenses seem to be full of “well you have no proof”, and “omg badmin”?

That’s the thing. The admins have no proof of a bannable offence occurring, so why was there a ban?

…Because they saw it with their own eyes. They don’t need to prove anything, especially not to some chumps from 4chan.

PandaK post:56:

Why even have ban appeal threads if you’re just going to go “lol, no, I don’t wanna”?

Uh, because some people don’t deserve them? It’s not a “get out of ban free card”.

Would you please just go away if all you’re going to say is “B-but the admins are always right!”.

Zeldo · December 28, 2012, 5:30am

Nope, the mods can see IP’s so they can vouch for that. I’m watching from the sidelines. Didn’t mean for everything to explode but that’s just how things turned out.

Norogro · December 28, 2012, 5:31am

RavenT:

Norogro post:66:

ReubenMcHawk post:64:

Norogro post:61:

ReubenMcHawk post:58:

Nein post:54:

Reuben, just stop now.
I know you want to protect this from the flames, but you’re just adding oil. Let it be.

This is really ridiculous (and funny). “Hacking” isn’t anything like robbing or murder. The little defenders of Colorpinpoint and the other admins/moderators are the ones who are stirring things up.

As opposed to the “little defenders” of Zeldo, whose defenses seem to be full of “well you have no proof”, and “omg badmin”?

That’s the thing. The admins have no proof of a bannable offence occurring, so why was there a ban?

…Because they saw it with their own eyes. They don’t need to prove anything, especially not to some chumps from 4chan.

PandaK post:56:

Why even have ban appeal threads if you’re just going to go “lol, no, I don’t wanna”?

Uh, because some people don’t deserve them? It’s not a “get out of ban free card”.

So this all breaks down to the argument that “Whatever the admin says, goes”

Why even have an appeal center if it all boils down to totalitarianism from the admins?

Wait a second. Do you expect the players to unban themselves? Of course it comes down to the decision of the admins.
i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/010/277/genius-meme.png I made this in a language you 4chan jockies would understand.

That’s one flimsy, baseless strawman you got there.

lereddit420 · December 28, 2012, 5:31am

Sure you did, bro. Why else post it on 4chan?

PandaK · December 28, 2012, 5:32am

This isn’t going to end well.
Sorry, man.

Danke · December 28, 2012, 5:32am

I don’t see this thread going anywhere productive.

If you would like to talk this out with Color through PMs or IRC, feel free at #aloha on irc.quakenet.org.

penis · December 28, 2012, 6:32am

Why is this ruban fellow spamming shitposts on /v/ bragging about griefing the /v/ AoS server?

Is this how AlohaPK conducts itself?

You guys used to be cool…

Taylor_Swift · December 28, 2012, 6:33am

haux post:13:

HoboHob post:12:

I find it hard to believe color, that you would ban 20% less people if you didn’t have to record.

Keep the screen recorder open

When you see a potential hacker, press the record button

Then, ban him if you think he is hacking

If he makes an appeal, upload the video and POW! He can’t argue with you

This will save you and everybody else a lot of time. You can delete old videos to save HD space.

Hiding under a false excuse like “I wouldn’t be able to catch as many hackers” is blatantly false and doesn’t help anyone.

Now if you have a legitimate excuse like “it lags me to the point where you can’t even tell he is hacking because everyone is snapping around” then that’s a reason not to.

But for any other reason, just freaking record the hacker.

Altogether, it will only lead to the innocent being unbanned, and the guilty remaining banned.

/rant

I’m going to make an exception here and post in this thread even though I have no direct involvement with this ban.

HoboHob, I don’t how others do it, or how Color would end up doing it, but if I’m trying to catch a cheater in a recording, I end up with several recordings. Sometimes these recordings can be very long. A 2 1/2 minute Fraps recording creates an almost 2GB video file. I never know when I’m going to catch him, so I have to record everything. We aren’t talking about an easy 30second video and done. We’re talking potentially stalking the guy for 20 minutes and ending up with a massive amount of recordings. After you finally catch him, you have to go back into your videos and find where it was you caught him, and save only that video, deleting the rest. If you don’t want to end up with tons of 2GB files, you have to compress them down before storing them away in your archives. This crap takes times, and will only serve to slow down the process.

I, personally, make notes on each player I ban in case of an appeal, to refresh my memory. I’m sure others do the same.

If I witnessed what Color described of the events, I would have banned this player as well, no evidence needed.

You need to stop thinking of admins as lawyers who must present some evidence before a judge. Admins are the judge, and they were given this privilege because their judgement is trusted.

I had to reply to you because your post bugged the living daylights out of me.

You can put a video through windows movie maker which will make the video around 10+mb while keeping the quality.

No excuse, if you moderate then you should be ready to provide proof when you hand out a ban and in this day and age you have no excuse to not have proof.

DoctorHound · December 28, 2012, 6:35am

Wow, really, Aloha?