“The ban was done out of salt and I know it was done out of salt…”
no it wasn’t, it was because you broke the rules
why do you keep playing the victim card every time someone mentions your first ban?
Thank you guys for your input. For those that asked questions, if you go back and read in full and in context what I said with your questions in mind I think you’ll understand what I meant without me having to repeat myself. 
gottem 8) 8)
He hacked and lied.
He created an unfathomable amount of drama.
He hacked and lied once more.
He spammed the forum with utter nonsense.
But, of course, it’s all our fault that he did all of that. Our reaction was of course so unjustified…
Give me one good example of a staff member who has used their ingame powers to get out of a punishment.
Well that’s because he knows what the hell he’s talking about. Sure, he makes mistakes like everyone else in this world. But he also got to where he is today by admitting when he’s wrong.
I absolutely hate the word bullying, especially when it’s referred to on the internet… If you cannot look past the fact that someone comments the letters “kys”, then my suggestion would be to stay off the internet.
I feel silly that I even have to comment with this thread. You brushed off a number of staff members, even ones who could have solved the problem, because they weren’t to your liking.
You were shooting people through your glitched platform. I honestly have no other way to categorize that other than abusing a glitch…
So if I went onto a server, didn’t login, and began hacking… then my admin status shouldn’t be removed because I wasn’t abusing my admin status?! :I
Maybe because he wanted to play the game? Is it against the rules to shoot at a tower when there’s only a small amount of players on the server now?
Well I don’t know… Judging from all the drama and problems you’ve been creating, along with your extremely sarcastic and spam-like comments on the forum…
Just toggled kill on a few people? Man I couldn’t imagine the outrage by you if you were tk’ed ingame during a match for absolutely no reason…
You know what is funny? It WASN’T Danke who said that… It was shywolf, who was typing that with the honest humor that he usually sends those messages with.
Even though you used the words “good of the community” a lot of your requests seem specifically pointing towards your own personal interest. I see absolutely no good coming from demoting Danke or Monstarules. As for being unbanned, that’s up to Danke. I trust his decision making skills…
… I prefer quality posts over quantity posts…
Just think how much time and effort Torch would have saved if he just admitted his wrongdoings instead of writing all this…
You could say he should have…
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I don’t feel like having a response war, but if there’s anything specific you would like me to clarify I can. I thought you would see it in a less biased light, but whatever. Most of the things you quoted and responded to was done out of context. Just as an example:
You quite obviously cut off my sentence. It was just supposed to be rhetorical and part of the story not some “massive point” that I needed to prove.
Try to go back and read my thread from the perspective of a friend and it will make much more sense. You get out of things what you want to get out of things. Someone saying “:)” can be a genuine happy face or a sarcastic happy face depending on what you want it to be. If you want me to further clarify a point I can, but not going to individually respond to a giant reply chain lol.
You weren’t even there and you are saying this? There is no proof. It is literally Danke’s word that you are backing your entire belief on. That is very foolish considering I doubt you even know the guy in real life. And I believe it is a sin to lie, so why would I just for a game? Why would I lie and say I hacked just to get unbanned? Yes, yes, I know I said “hacks” sarcastically in game, but it’s not the same as me coming here and lying in an apology format saying: “I hacked, I’m very sorry, please unban.”
i know from experience that there’s literally nothing i can say that you’ll treat with any respect, whether because you genuinely believe that anyone with a different opinion to you is wrong or you’re just trying to get attention and you think arguing with people on a forum is the way to do it, but i’ll write a comment anyway. i’m going to disagree with you. try to find it in yourself to respect that i have a differing opinion and not just dismiss it as wrong, biased, or whatever
i’ll start by saying that the majority of staff members are empathetic almost to a fault when it comes to dealing with anything admin-related. i’d be pretty interested if you could give me any specific examples of what you consider a “judgmental mentality problem” from a staff member dealing with ace.
if having interacted with and observed you before wasn’t enough for me never to want to trust you with any sort of power (even that of a trusted user), that paragraph about it definitely did the trick. that’s just not the mentality we have. rarely we will recruit somebody who does seem to see things that way, and they just don’t last long because sooner or later they step over a line. usually pretty soon.
i trust and respect danke. i don’t think there’s a staff member who doesn’t. he’s a very experienced admin, a good guy, and easily among the most dedicated staff. if it’s his word against someone else’s, why would we not back him up? the problem with your logic is that if we follow it, trust can’t exist. if it’s his word against someone we already have some level of distrust and distaste for… what exactly do you expect?
i do agree with some small part of your “bullying” paragraph but honestly, it’s not hard to ignore chat. i, along with pretty much everyone i’ve met on the internet, have been insulted in more ways than i can count. it’s a part of gaming.
i wasn’t around for your first ban and can’t be bothered reading through the thread, but from what i’ve read here, if i had been the one to ban you originally i doubt you would have been unbanned in the first place. what kind of mentality allows you to expect an apology after you were banned for what was, at best, genuine abuse of a glitch? personally i’m inclined to believe that you were cheating and there was no (involuntary) glitching involved but you’re already permabanned so whatever
you were removed from trusted because, believe it or not, being trusted doesn’t give you a free ride to be a tool. froe is the furthest thing from salty you will ever find on the internet and it was definitely not solely his decision to remove your trusted status, even if he did have some motive of his own to do so
this is longer than i wanted it to be but honestly dude, your attitude sucks and i can’t sympathise when you keep acting like you’ve done nothing wrong. at some point arguing until you wear people down and they can’t be bothered anymore stops working, and i think you’ve reached that point here. i think many staff members feel the same way. maybe it’s time for some reflection
i know from experience that there's literally nothing i can say that you'll treat with any respect, whether because you genuinely believe that anyone with a different opinion to you is wrong or you're just trying to get attention and you think arguing with people on a forum is the way to do it, but i'll write a comment anyway. i'm going to disagree with you. try to find it in yourself to respect that i have a differing opinion and not just dismiss it as wrong, biased, or whateveri'll start by saying that the majority of staff members are empathetic almost to a fault when it comes to dealing with anything admin-related. i'd be pretty interested if you could give me any specific examples of what you consider a "judgmental mentality problem" from a staff member dealing with ace.
if having interacted with and observed you before wasn't enough for me never to want to trust you with any sort of power (even that of a trusted user), that paragraph about it definitely did the trick. that's just not the mentality we have. rarely we will recruit somebody who does seem to see things that way, and they just don't last long because sooner or later they step over a line. usually pretty soon.
i trust and respect danke. i don't think there's a staff member who doesn't. he's a very experienced admin, a good guy, and easily among the most dedicated staff. if it's his word against someone else's, why would we not back him up? the problem with your logic is that if we follow it, trust can't exist. if it's his word against someone we already have some level of distrust and distaste for… what exactly do you expect?
i do agree with some small part of your "bullying" paragraph but honestly, it's not hard to ignore chat. i, along with pretty much everyone i've met on the internet, have been insulted in more ways than i can count. it's a part of gaming.
i wasn't around for your first ban and can't be bothered reading through the thread, but from what i've read here, if i had been the one to ban you originally i doubt you would have been unbanned in the first place. what kind of mentality allows you to expect an apology after you were banned for what was, at best, genuine abuse of a glitch? personally i'm inclined to believe that you were cheating and there was no (involuntary) glitching involved but you're already permabanned so whatever
you were removed from trusted because, believe it or not, being trusted doesn't give you a free ride to be a tool. froe is the furthest thing from salty you will ever find on the internet and it was definitely not solely his decision to remove your trusted status, even if he did have some motive of his own to do so
this is longer than i wanted it to be but honestly dude, your attitude sucks and i can't sympathise when you keep acting like you've done nothing wrong. at some point arguing until you wear people down and they can't be bothered anymore stops working, and i think you've reached that point here. i think many staff members feel the same way. maybe it's time for some reflection
But see… the problem is you guys are showing this judgmental attitude right now. You just said I'm acting like I did nothing wrong, but that's not true. I even apologized in this post for the babel glitch even though I didn't "abuse" it. I didn't sit on the server for 20 minutes shooting people through the babel. I did it until I realized it was actually working and stopped immediately. And I don't dismiss everything anyone says that is of differing opinion. And you're saying I have the flawed logic but you're saying things like: "if it's danke's word against another's" <---- THAT'S THE PROBLEM. It shouldn't HAVE to be his word against mine. The whole ban is a guilty until proven innocent. I know this community isn't America and I don't have rights, but seriously?? No matter if he put me in this situation out of genuine maliciousness or if he actually solemnly believes I hack it doesn't matter because he made this into a word war. Don't be so quick to judge me for writing an essay when that's the best I can do. I asked for a chance to provide proof and he denied it. For what reason? What possible reason is there? He kicked people that joined and made the server empty to set up his own reenactment scenario and he knows himself that the shot was possible, that he wasn't completely concealed. There was no harm in even letting the worst of hackers back on an empty server for 10 minutes to show him exactly where and how I shot him. Unless he had something to hide or he didn't want me to get proof to be unbanned.
Is it not curious how I had a very very very quick and detailed explanation of how I shot him even when I got banned within about a minute after I shot him? How could I have come up with such an accurate and good explanation in such short time when I didn't even have time to explore the map to find an excuse after I killed him? I created the ban appeal very quickly afterwards too. Sure it's possible that I "just happened to know of a sliver that I could've shot Danke through while I was using a wallhack or whatever he thinks I was using" but how likely does that really seem?
Look at the following pictures and explain to me how I could've so quickly known about that hole in the hill and the sliver AND that he was in the exact spot that the sliver would work as an excuse if I hadn't actually shot Danke through it. I think you'll find that you're making a house of cards of excuses for something that didn't need to be like this. He was undercover on a random name. He could've just spectated me and recorded me. If I really was able to shoot people through walls, I would've done it again in 5 minutes.
What is up! Drama alert nation…
Alright i cringed at the first post Torch
For the good of the community, unban you, demote Danke (even tho I don’t fancy like that guy I’ve read old posts and noticed he did LOT for the aloha community. Every1 laughed at me when i opposed to him, even you a little and now look at you…) and Monsta (which is one of my friend Brothers). I got nothing against you but Seriously Torch, you’re better then that. What happened to you?
What happened to me is people stopped reading to the end of thoughts. I said demoting wasn’t necessary right after that. I started off with a more extreme thought but softened it down with reasoning later. Is that so crazy from someone who just got banned based on someone’s word?
@Everyone else
Why was I trusted before after countless upon countless hours of people spectating me?
- Because I don’t hack
Why would I donate REAL money to this server?
- Because I don’t hack and am not worried about getting banned
Why did I get trusted removed?
- Not because I hacked, but because of a glitch (I did not create the AoS client or the Babel script, so you can’t say I hacked)
Why do I use pistol gun models?
- Because I don’t hack and I didn’t want it to even be anywhere close to a hack, so I made my gun models super small.
Why would I make a post this long here?
- Because I believe this community is able to come to an agreement that one person’s word (no matter how important the person might be) should not be enough to permanently ban and humiliate anyone. Even if I was across the map when he was shot, he should be required to provide proof just like everyone else even if just to appease all the other members of the community and so these types of threads don’t need to be created.
Why would I start hacking?
- I’m very good without hacks. I can get streaks very easily on flat maps. What point is there in hacking? If anything a hack like an aimbot would just slow me down, since then I’d have to be hitting E all the time before I shot. Wallhack? Why!!! It’s so obvious I would’ve gotten recorded doing it and gotten banned very quickly if that was the truth. And what really is the likelihood of me using a hack just once on a server? Even if this was the first and last time I was going to use a hack… isn’t that the problem solved? There’s no good answer to why I should be banned just because Danke said so. “Because I trust Danke” is not a good answer.
Torch, you make it sound as if some random player reported you for hacking, and then Danke decided to ban you based on that word alone. Danke is an admin, meaning he has the authority to ban someone. He saw that you were hacking and banned you. If your argument is that you can’t be banned because of Danke’s word, then how would we ban anyone? What if the entire staff saw that you were hacking. Would you then say that your ban was invalid because the ban was just based on the staff’s word? In all honesty, I feel like we’re just beating a dead horse here. Ferrari and topo have made great comments on the staff’s position on this issue and I don’t think anything else really needs to be said. The bottom line is that you are in the wrong. This is not going to go anywhere unless you admit that, and it looks like that’s never going to happen. Might as well lock the thread.
I just edited my most recent post to address the first part. And why are you so quick to want to lock down the thread? Danke knows the truth, I know the truth. I know I shot him through that crack. He is saying I was somewhere else. Did he truly make sure it wasn’t a name glitch? I know he “lol’d” at that, but why is his reasoning of “lol” valid? I sprinted in the water and I am quick and honestly I don’t see why I couldn’t have made it to the tower where he says I was right after I shot him. You can say I’m in the wrong for making this thread or for any of the things I say and that is fine and your opinion, but I am not in the wrong or lying in saying “I did NOT hack when I shot Danke today.” If you have nothing to add in terms of proof then why are you still commenting here Reid? Me and Topo and others can continue to have a rational and calm discussion about this.
Oh yeah I forgot to address that name glitch excuse – if it was a name glitch, then he would have banned the wrong person by accident. I’ve also been told that the name glitch has been fixed for awhile.
I’ve always had name glitch problems. I’ve never seen it stop, but then again I only noticed when other people started calling me other things in conversations. And either way, I know the truth. There are no real excuses on my end, only viable excuses to explain the truth in a more convincing way to you guys since you didn’t believe my original explanation which IS what happened whether Danke wants to believe it or not.
Also, you are saying that Danke is an admin and has the power to ban and doesn’t need proof, but that is similar to thinking that police don’t need evidence of anything in order to shoot someone and be justified by it afterwards. There’s a reason why a majority of police have bodycams nowadays. It’s not because they don’t lack authority, but to prove what they did is right without a doubt.
Torch, nobody here hates you. We all dislike you a great bit at the moment because of your incessant anticts and obnoxious behavior, but it can be forgiven. Especially if you can let go your pride and whatnot. Man, I liked you. We all liked you. We trusted you. It’s obvious things are not adding up at the moment, my friend. I know you think my ban on you was made out of rock salt, but I will tell you, buddy, that I did not want to. In fact, the only reason I banned you was because you were doing it and you were trusted. A trusted user should know BETTER.
As for salt, no…if you heard my commentary in the video, which was unintended, I was not happy and I felt hurt that you were glitching/hacking. It hurt me to ban you. It hurt me to watch you admit that you hacked. It hurt me because you were a great person who was a valuable part of this community. Now you have become somewhat like AceTheKing, someone who is only causing painful drama. I trust Danke’s word. He is a BK. He has even admitted when he was in the wrong. IF HE SAYS THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG, IT IS PROBABLY WRONG. That’s what I learned.
Torch, you need to do some thinking. Your friends are even starting to doubt your legitness by your reactions. When Chappy was saying the exact same things, and he was lying, it was just as painful. It took him over a year to admit to anyone. Everyone wants to avoid another Chappy situation. Please. PLEASE don’t be like that. On the side, the video of your possible ESP may reviewed again in light of your new ban, and that ban could possibly be re-instated.
But I didn’t hack. 
Why don’t you guys get that?
And see the difference with Chappy is he had lots of people recording evidence against him or lots of videos I don’t really remember. I have nothing against me in this latest ban, but someone’s word. How can I fight against a word besides just more words?
And yeah, I know a lot of you guys don’t like me now, because I started being more sarcastic recently, however I am not going to lie and say I hacked in either of these incidents. You want complete honesty? I did in fact hack for a very short time several years ago before half of you guys even knew about this game, but was never caught. I learned my lesson then and quit AOS for a bit because I hated the feeling of hacking so much. And I know you guys don’t want another Chappy situation and I won’t try to make it into that. If you guys can’t unban me since there’s no evidence then I will just leave, because there’s no point in me getting an unban when as soon as another admin thinks I’m hacking without proof can ban me again. And I don’t really see a point in banning me for ESP from the old evidence when I’m already permabanned from this. Feel free to go look at that video again though. I promise you as a Christian (terrible one at that, but I try) that I did not hack on that map. If you don’t want to believe me then that’s fine, I understand that. (Also, as I stated before, I knew where several people were in the “ESP” video from previous lives, there was a little luck involved, and just plain intuition.)
The shot Torch made was 100% possible. If you believe that shot ain’t possible, then you need to sharpen up on your aos skills. Torch has, and because of this he made the shot. Furthermore, Torch has learned from his mistake, you have not. Where’s the ESP trap? Where’s the proof? All you have is the word of one man.
If a man told you to jump off a bridge, would you? Maybe Danke’s lying. Chappy lied. Broaden your perspectives.
Why would Danke lie? Do you seriously think someone in his position would lie or do something like ban someone out of salt?
Why would I lie? Why would I after all these years and the $5 or so I’ve put into this server? Honestly, I thought at first Danke, was just trolling me considering his responses in my Ban Appeal thread. Hardly, what I would consider the responses of an admin who just saw someone hack, but moreso the responses of someone that is just trolling someone else for enjoyment.
But ----- The more likely thing is that Danke is just mistaken. And that is why proof SHOULD be required of all bans, if nothing other than to get Torches to shut up and be proven wrong.