I do admit, I have contributed to some of it. The first most being the injust ban I received. The second most being Kuunikal getting unnecessarily upset about a joke. The rest that I listed does not involve me. The “who thinks monsta is a *****” thread bumps were not done by me. Anytime I posted in there I unanon’d. All the “^_^” faces in there were someone else. All the random and useless posts were other people. The CS_Maps drama had nothing to do with me, but you my dear friend. Don’t try to take the problems you and others have created and dump them on me. That won’t solve anything. If you were to ban me today these issues would continue and that’s because it’s not me causing them besides the two I listed in the beginning of this paragraph. You can continue to ignore the problems, injustices, and hypocrisies and blame me, but that really only further proves my point that it’s immaturity in administration that is causing this. Blaming me is not the answer.
Oh and um this very thread we’re posting in is about Slayer and has nothing to do with me either, so nice try!
Blaming only yourself or pretending to blame yourself sarcastically doesn’t solve the problem either. As I stated, this isn’t a blame game, you don’t need to get defensive. The problem is the administration in general being hypocritical and doing injustices. You don’t want to fix them? You’ll reap the rewards. You want to fix them? Put out some apologies or demote people that aren’t doing a good job and promote people that are. Once again, to reiterate just so you don’t get in a tizzy. I said the administration in general. There are plenty of excellent admins like flun, shy, muffin, etc. etc. etc. I could list on and on.
Thanks for the vote of confidence!
And yes, it’s quite sad… how shaken the babel server got tonight as well as now the forums from one very toxic troll and an accomplice. Doesn’t speak well to the future I suppose.
The hilarious part of this quote is the astounding amount of time I’ve put into aloha to make it successful and the astounding ignorance of people like you.
If only you put that much time into being more modest and kind to people like Two. At the end of the day this is a multiplayer game and it’s the interaction that matters way more than maps, scripts, and plugins. Try being nice for a change Danke. I guarantee you it will do more good for the server than changing maps around.
has been brought back up by our lovely user Named Asame, appearently this user loves Drama.
Danke i want to Apologize to you. I haven’t been quite the nice guy to you recently. I got a bit carried away by my anger and i was also tired. We don’t have easy lives and i understand what you are doing to help the aloha community.
Again i Apologize.
Hm… I don’t know… Maybe because you’re an ADMIN??? If even the admins can’t deal with a little attack without just attacking right back, it’s no wonder why drama is spreading like wildfires!
Also, please. Act your age. I can almost guarantee you that both Two and Asame are both younger than you. Pick on someone your own size if your ego needs a boost.
^ The maturity that should be coming out of the admins. (once again, I’m not referring to ALL the admins.)
Torch plz. Even tho i think more could be done to make things better, I realize that pushing on someone won’t help. I didn’t post an apology to Danke to feed you. I really mean it cause i realized bad things i’ve done in the past few months and i’m looking for forgiveness
Asame (by everyone that doesn’t want to accept any of the above) poor kiki q-q
What you said didn’t feed me, it only further proved a point that there are a select few admins that aren’t acting to the responsibility level they should be at.
how was that ban unjust other than being for esp rather than glitching to your adavantage (or trying to “make sure” if you’re actually killing those people serverside on a public server)
your idea of “injustice” isn’t necessarily everyone else’s
not bending over to each and every community’s request, accurate or not, isn’t creating drama
There was not even proof of “ESP” the thing I was banned for. Once again, one coincidence of me looking up to a babel is not proof of anything. I frequently look up at the babel anyways to make sure people aren’t peaking off the edge about to shoot me. By they time they got around to “recording evidence” I had already stopped using the glitch to my advantage. If they hadn’t banned me when they did they would’ve only seen me glance up at people in the Babel every now and then. Anyone that isn’t in cahoots with the admins basically always agree with me that a 1:30 minute video of “proof” and then overreacting because I am honest about what was actually going on is ridiculous. Also, I know several people who are actually modifying their OS client and reducing fog density. (Makes it easier to identify, aim, and shoot at people within render distance.) An admin was in game when we were talking about it and the person (one of the two I know for sure do the hack/mod) even admitted to doing it. Were they banned? No. They got a mature response of “we’ll look into this”.
Same goes for you and the admins too.
Did I say to do that? No. But a good leader can appease the crowd while still not doing what they want them to do. Let’s say the admins are dead set on not removing a certain map and literally every non admin player is dead set on having it removed. The admins can just ignore it or snap back and say “get over it” or they can be mature and give a calm response to appease everyone. A great mature response would be something like: “We understand that you all absolutely hate this map, but we are keeping it in for x, y, z, reason and because of x, y, z. We do appreciate your input on the subject, but at this time we won’t be making this change. We may reconsider again in the future though!” Not the “why should I not be toxic right back if someone is being toxic to me” like some people seem to be thinking at the moment.
I realize you can be like: “hurr durr this is a afree gaem get over iet and deal with bad admins, we don’t do this cuz we get paid you know, we do this free, you get what you get, deal with it” but that is an excuse and a terrible one at that. I’m not saying you or anyone else would use that excuse, but it is a possible response. If you aren’t willing to take the responsibilities and maturity required of an admin then get out. There are plenty of other rising gems like Titanium (not going to list all of them) that are willing to be mature and handle things properly (just like a lot of the other admins do like Izzy, Shywolf, Flun, Muffin, etc. etc. etc. as I always list) that are more than willing to take your places.
I may/may not be backtracking this conversation… but you can’t possibly put all of the blame onto the staff. And trust me, I’m trying to be the least amount of biased possible. I know it’s hard to believe, but whatever decision or action that the staff makes is extremely scrutinized by the majority of the forum and players ingame. Because of this, we really have to think through everything and fully assess the situation before we make a decision.
Cunt slayer has been reported multiple times already, and he’s gotten plenty of warnings and mutes. That was more than enough of an indication to him that he needs to change his attitude. He now has a ban on him, so he now has some time to think about his actions. IF we would have banned him later than he was, I’m sure that there would be anger over how long it took. IF we would have banned him earlier than he was, I’m sure that there would be anger over how hastily the decision was made.
My point is, try to put yourself into the staff’s shoes before you create issues ridiculing how a situation was handled. If you strongly, strongly, strongly believe that a bad decision was made, then please do voice your opinion. But really try to think of the different ways and outcomes that the situation could have resulted in, and I’m sure you’ll realized that the right decision was probably made.
I don’t think that anyone claims the evidence wasn’t shit was the best, you were simply lucky no one spectated (recorded) you beforehand. What I was getting at, is that for the entire appeal you were arguing that just because this specific offense (abusing the arisen glicth, not the mere appearance of it, which you obviously can’t be banned for) wasn’t listed anywhere and that you didn’t purposefully create the glitch in order to misuse it, abusing it shouldn’t be bannable. Getting to the gist, you simply made a public server your own personal playground to see if it actually works, even if just for a certain amount of time/kills, not paying heed to what it might have brought on to other players.
Also, I didn’t know that I had to be “in cahoots with the admins” in order to form my own opinion about that ban, one that is somewhat opposing to yours (and/or your buddies). I don’t exactly feel compassionate for somebody that knowingly abused something and then goes arguing for two pages saying how “certain” kinds of abuse shouldn’t be bannable (with better or worse arguments), I can only relate to getting banned for the wrong reason and the obvious lack of evidence (no one is arguing that one, lol), which you did get unbanned due to anyway, so you did get off pretty much scot-free in the end.
3. Did I say to do that? No. But a good leader can appease the crowd while still not doing what they want them to do. Let's say the admins are dead set on not removing a certain map and literally every non admin player is dead set on having it removed. The admins can just ignore it or snap back and say "get over it" or they can be mature and give a calm response to appease everyone. A great mature response would be something like: "We understand that you all absolutely hate this map, but we are keeping it in for x, y, z, reason and because of x, y, z. We do appreciate your input on the subject, but at this time we won't be making this change. We may reconsider again in the future though!" Not the "why should I not be toxic right back if someone is being toxic to me" like [i]some[/i] people seem to be thinking at the moment.
Sure, those thing [i]could[/i] be handled better, but you gotta remember the way you communicate goes both ways/matters not only from admin to player, but the other way around as well. The simple fact that people create drama just because you don't sugar-coat every little thing you write or make it all about rainbows and unicorns, doesn't make the bait-y comments any more justified.
Doesn’t speak well to the future I suppose.