Hellscyth, AKA Daniel, came in with a friend using an aimbot. The Alluhakbar guy was spewing racist shit for an hour before all of this happened. If you search the forums, there are other Daniels who have been kicked for hacks.
You may want to ban the whole IP subnet in order to stop him.
As long as I'm on the topic, the Aloha server is not configured correctly. You have the default 30 minutes for AFK- that's the fucking DEFAULT SETTING. Who the fuck leaves the AFK set to 30 minutes???
The other problem is, you allowed Hellscyth to do the following:
He owned the server for about 2 hours. No mod, no admin came to ban him.
He brags about how he will be banned, and it's ok since he can easily get around.
He knows that you will never adjust your aimbot detection correctly and that the admin here is a noob. So he will just come back and run the server again with his aimbot.
He was laughing at how easy it was to aimbot. Nobody will remove him.
He probably came in with a friend because he told him how easy it was to be racist and stupid on this server, but nobody will do anything about it.
Your votekick ratio is also set at the default, which is very stupid. You have to CHANGE THE SCRIPTS FILE so it works better- or did you also use the default password too?
Files to modify so aimbot noobs won't own your server anymore:
votekick.py â duh, you change the default ratio
  Votekick.ban_duration = config.get('votekick_ban_duration', 120.0)
  Votekick.public_votes = config.get('votekick_public_votes', True)
  required_percentage = config.get('votekick_percentage', 25.0)
aimbot2.py
HEADSHOT_SNAP_TIME = 5.0
HEADSHOT_SNAP_THRESHOLD = 2.5
HEADSHOT_SNAP_ANGLE = 45.0Â â try this. If it makes false positives than raise it by 5. Not rocket science
afk.py
Duh, not 30 minutes. 10 or 15 minutes but not fucking 30 minutes. Jesus.
Finally, you can block words. If somebody is being racist idiot then you can censor those words and even kick them for saying it more than 2-3 times.
Letâs all remember that catching the aimbot noobs is the responsibility of the SERVER ADMIN, not me, not the other players. This is why your server is plagued by cheaters.
Here are two points, know how to differentiate between someone who knows how to play and between someone who is cheating, I personally went to observe [CLAN] Hellscyth(francis) player around for about 15 minutes and I did not see anything strange in it, but as nathan said Previously if you suspect someone can follow the corresponding steps of the [guide] pubovl and report.
The staff members are not 100% available because? Because everyone has a life and things to do and not specifically we must be all day detecting hackers or cheaters, we are all volunteers here do not pay us to help but we can help in the short time.
We trust and appreciate that the players help us by reporting and will always be received in a good way.
He was hacking. He was using the aimbot lowkey for a while, then he just shamelessly went full on and if you donât have good eyesight, then I will explain the screenshot above shows his score as nearly 350. I left the game so maybe he ended with much more. CHECK THE LOG FILES MAYBE?
The staff members are not 100% available because? Because everyone has a life and things to do and not specifically we must be all day detecting hackers or cheaters, we are all volunteers here do not pay us to help but we can help in the short time.
Yes, thatâs fine but they also must learn how to configure a game server. Too many of the scripts are using the defaults because they didnât understand how to fix them. I wonder if the password is the default too since everything else is.
We trust and appreciate that the players help us by reporting and will always be received in a good way.
Yes, very nice of course but you ask us all to do too much work. You see I am not a mod? Do you see my status? Here I have given you screenshot evidence and you can see the log files yourself but instead you ask me to install some shitty software and take this time? Oh, I have a life too.
Right now the aimbot noob is laughing with his friend and they are going to do this again and again. Same pattern.
You provided no evidence against the apparent hacker. A screenshot of a player with 359 kills does not count as sufficient evidence. Also, we do not have log files that give us the amount of kills each player has at any given point. That would be excessive and I donât even want to begin to imagine how big that file would be.
There have been multipleinstanceson the forum where the afk script has come into question. Hereâs another example that suggests that the default time is ten minutes⌠Which also suggests that our scripts arenât just âusing the defaultsâ. Along with the community threads, even though you canât see them, there have been staff discussions that have resulted in a conclusion for a 30 minute afk limit.
Iâd say the votekick system is broken in the way that innocent people are constantly being banned for nonsense reasons. The ratio that itâs set at now, though, provides somewhat of a balance between hackers and innocent players.
It seems to me like you are assuming everything regarding what action was being taken to admin the server, and also how the server is setup to deal with cheatersâŚ
You didnât provide any evidence, you assumed quite a bit about how aloha runs their servers, and you didnât exactly write your topic/responses with respect and kindness in mind. I hope you realize why this abuse report wonât result in a ban or any major script changes.
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Hellscyth, AKA Daniel, came in with a friend using an aimbot. The Alluhakbar guy was spewing racist shit for an hour before all of this happened. If you search the forums, there are other Daniels who have been kicked for hacks.
As long as Iâm on the topic, the Aloha server is not configured correctly. You have the default 30 minutes for AFK- thatâs the fucking DEFAULT SETTING. Who the fuck leaves the AFK set to 30 minutes???
The other problem is, you allowed Hellscyth to do the following:
Hey,
Is player [CLAN] Hellscyth, I tell you it is not hack. This person has a lot of experience in playing and is the most professional of the server. Look at the top to see that you are equibocado, (I respect your right to say).
He owned the server for about 2 hours. No mod, no admin came to ban him.
Hellscyth, AKA Daniel, came in with a friend using an aimbot. The Alluhakbar guy was spewing racist shit for an hour before all of this happened. If you search the forums, there are other Daniels who have been kicked for hacks.
As long as I'm on the topic, the Aloha server is not configured correctly. You have the default 30 minutes for AFK- that's the fucking DEFAULT SETTING. Who the fuck leaves the AFK set to 30 minutes???
The other problem is, you allowed Hellscyth to do the following:
Hey,
Is player [CLAN] Hellscyth, I tell you it is not hack. This person has a lot of experience in playing and is the most professional of the server. Look at the top to see that you are equibocado, (I respect your right to say).
He owned the server for about 2 hours. No mod, no admin came to ban him.
And there is the hacker, or the hackerâs friend, here to defend those 350 kills. Well, aimbot noobs now own the server because admins donât know how to configure the scripts. Thatâs kind of funny, but mostly sad.
youâre mistaken in pretty much everything youâve said in this thread.
francis is a long-time player and very good at the game, not a cheater. having a lot of kills doesnât indicate cheats at all. our server setup is pretty extensively modified from what pyspades is by default, and i know this because iâve done a lot of that modification. thereâs no misconfiguration - our settings have been chosen deliberately. in several cases where pyspades hasnât offered a choice that fit what we wanted, weâve changed it so that it does. your âi am right, you are wrong, no room for argumentâ approach generally wonât get you very far when you have no idea what youâre talking about.
I donât know for sure it was Francis- the guy only said he was francis. However, his racist friend called him Daniel. I donât know why you guys are protecting hackers, I really donât. You literally are protecting people who hack and banning people who identify problems the server configuration. Thatâs very insecure. The aimbot2.py and afk.py are so easy to fix too. It would prevent all sorts of cheaters and griefers.
I think before you come to complain about someone or complain about the servers, you should see yourself and the way you act, the attitude you are taking does not seem right to me.
Seeing your answer, I can only say that the most funny and ironic thing here is that you complain about hackers or possible hackers and you end up being one of them.
if I remember correctly this is not the first time, previously you have already been banned by one of the bots.
First, no I was not banned by a bot. Second, Iâm just trying to help the server. There is no reason people should aimbot and then brag about it to others, and invite their friends to spam chat with racist remarks.
i do know it was francis. i am also as sure as i can be without actually having been there that he wasnât cheating, even if you think he was. heâs a great player.
your suggested change to aimbot2.py doesnât really make sense. how could someone snap 2.5 times? even if it did, aimbot2 doesnât ban on our servers - only raises warnings for us to check people.
the two automatic triggers for bans that we do have are handled by another script, and although weâre pretty highly confident that it wonât meet a ban condition on a false positive, the bans are short. we very heavily lean towards manual review being required for a ban. no permanent bans are handed out without manual review by a full admin. fair players should never be banned and allowing a script to decide things leaves too much room for doubt in that area, in our opinion.
our votekick percentage is actually higher than the default (we require more votes) because we donât want people to be able to kick other people for reasons like âi donât like himâ. votekicks will generally only go through if someone is making the game actually unplayable, which is (imo) the way it should be
your suggested âfixâ for the afk kick is a very simple config change, but itâs been discussed more than once and the general consensus has been that 30 minutes is fine as a default. i do personally feel that a bit lower wouldnât hurt, but itâs not solely my decision or anyone elseâs. itâs a matter of opinion
i (and iâm sure other sysadmins) am always open to discussion of server settings with the community, but coming in as a relatively new user and telling us that we donât know what weâre doing, that weâre doing it wrong, calling us idiots, etc⌠can you see why thatâs not very conducive to a healthy discussion?
Ok, sure, itâs possible but I look at my log and the K/D ratio is a bit odd and several people attempted to votekick him. We almost had him kicked too! We just needed 1 more. He held the entire server hostage! He was headshotting 3 people within a second and I know thatâs not normal. I donât know if I have the same server as you, but mine has Aimbot2.py. When I look at the defaults, I think itâs crazy! Iâm sure the dev team errored on the side of not making false positives but the sysadmins should be testing it with somebody who they know is very good and doesnât have aimbot. Then you could measure the thresholds. Being able to hold a crack team down and regular players saying he hacks should be suspicious. Also, I checked the chat logs and Francis and Hellscyth both speak Portugese. I guess it is the same person?
your suggested change to aimbot2.py doesn't really make sense. how could someone snap 2.5 times? even if it did, aimbot2 doesn't ban on our servers - only raises warnings for us to check people.
the two automatic triggers for bans that we do have are handled by another script, and although we're pretty highly confident that it, the bans are short. we very heavily lean towards manual review being required for a ban. no permanent bans are handed out without manual review by a full admin. fair players should never be banned and allowing a script to decide things leaves too much room for doubt in that area, in our opinion.
Well, as a fair player who was just banned, yes, I agree 100% with you. The other hand is the fair players should be able to play without aimbotters.
our votekick percentage is actually higher than the default (we require more votes) because we don't want people to be able to kick other people for reasons like "i don't like him". votekicks will generally only go through if someone is making the game actually unplayable, which is (imo) the way it should be
If somebody is SO unpopular that everybody wants to kick him, then why not? A fair player might be very racist and so everybody wants to kick him, that seems fair. Even if Francis/Hellscyth is not lowkey aimbotting, then he still ruins the game with 350 kills vs the average personâs 10 kills. I think itâs ok for him to be kicked for that. Worse case scenario, he decides to build more next round OR lower the sensitivity of his aimbot.
your suggested 'fix' for the afk kick is a very simple config change, but it's been discussed more than once and the general consensus has been that 30 minutes is fine as a default. i do personally feel that a bit lower wouldn't hurt, but it's not solely my decision or anyone else's. it's a matter of opinion
Yes, I agree. Itâs so high! One time I watched 4-5 players all AFK. The game was useless. If I could go to another server, I certainly would but I just had to wait 30 minutes and hope my team can hold out with the few against the many. I think we just lost instead. lol
I definitely think the same as you in that it should be a bit lower. 15 minutes is not unreasonable. 10 minutes, well⌠probably it should be 10 but 15 is plenty of time for anybody to use the bathroom, smoke, eat a sammich, whatever.
i (and i'm sure other sysadmins) am always open to discussion of server settings with the community, but coming in as a relatively new user and telling us that we don't know what we're doing, that we're doing it wrong, calling us idiots, etc... can you see why that's not very conducive to a healthy discussion?
I said the racists were idiots, which they are, not admin. I wrote âFinally, you can block words. If somebody is being racist idiot then you can censor those words and even kick them for saying it more than 2-3 times.â
I am sorry for my bad tone. I am frustrated because I see a good server being taken over by toxic players who think they can run the server with their aimbots and racism bs. I also see it REALLY DIFFICULT to submit evidence, but REALLY EASY to lowkey aimbot. This is a terrible balance that I believe only leads to a toxic gaming culture. Itâs a fun game and people should be able to play it with friends without all the extra drama and toxicity. The scripts should do all the work for you. If not, then I think the developers ought to know and out to fix them.
Francis is a good player, if he wanted to he could pop on the discord and ask us to undo the votekick. The point of votekick is NOT to remove a player who is enjoying the game. While bad votekicks happen it shouldnât be the norm. That is why we have the ratio set so high in the first place to minimize bad votekicks. I (Most staff and players do as well) really disagree with the mentality âlets ban a player because he is goodâ. If Francis felt it was necessary to obtain votekick protection all he would do is apply for a trusted position. Secondly, as a person who has spectated Francis in the past I can say with certainty that he is just good at the game. Donât say thatâs because he knows Iâm on, the fact is we can can be pretty discrete when needed. Lastly we only mute certain players if we feel it is necessary, and even then it a last resort that has been how weâve run the servers for a long time. It will most-likely say like that for a long time.
if he was actually doing that, then yeah thatâs a bit weird, but could still be realistically explained by lag. 3 in 1.5 is the normal rate, if somebodyâs aim is on point. what do you mean by holding the server hostage? it sounds to me like he was just playing the game and your team wasnât able to deal with it
I don't know if I have the same server as you, but mine has Aimbot2.py. When I look at the defaults, I think it's crazy! I'm sure the dev team errored on the side of not making false positives but the sysadmins should be testing it with somebody who they know is very good and doesn't have aimbot. Then you could measure the thresholds.
honestly, the aimbot snap detection is the least reliable part of the already relatively wonky script. the detection for 15 kills in 20 seconds is definitely a good indicator that someone is going nuts, but still certainly not enough to ban for, and the one for high accuracies similarly will usually let us know something is up, but occasionally triggers for no real reason at all. developing a script to reliably know the difference between good and [i]too[/i] good is pretty hard. even testing with good players just isn't enough on its own, because the networking in aos can play such a huge role in making things look weird.
Being able to hold a crack team down and regular players saying he hacks should be suspicious.
regulars accuse me of cheating all the time. it's pretty difficult to tell a cheater unless you actually spectate them, even if you've been playing the game since it came out
Also, I checked the chat logs and Francis and Hellscyth both speak Portugese. I guess it is the same person?
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Well, as a fair player who was just banned, yes, I agree 100% with you. The other hand is the fair players should be able to play without aimbotters.
no question at all. the thing is, i'd much rather let several cheaters play than ban someone for the crime of being too good at a game.
If somebody is SO unpopular that everybody wants to kick him, then why not? A fair player might be very racist and so everybody wants to kick him, that seems fair. Even if Francis/Hellscyth is not lowkey aimbotting, then he still ruins the game with 350 kills vs the average person's 10 kills. :-( I think it's ok for him to be kicked for that. Worse case scenario, he decides to build more next round OR lower the sensitivity of his aimbot. ;-)
i disagree very strongly there. especially in a game as small as this, allowing veteran players to be kicked just because others can't keep up seems ridiculous to me, and so does forcing them to change the way they play to avoid being kicked
Yes, I agree. It's so high! One time I watched 4-5 players all AFK. The game was useless. If I could go to another server, I certainly would but I just had to wait 30 minutes and hope my team can hold out with the few against the many. I think we just lost instead. lol
I definitely think the same as you in that it should be a bit lower. 15 minutes is not unreasonable. 10 minutes, well⌠probably it should be 10 but 15 is plenty of time for anybody to use the bathroom, smoke, eat a sammich, whatever.
yeah, i pretty much agree there
I said the racists were idiots, which they are, not admin. I wrote "Finally, you can block words. If somebody is being racist idiot then you can censor those words and even kick them for saying it more than 2-3 times."
i was thinking of your in-game chat, where you called us stupid for not muting 1 Legas (who in this case did totally deserve it, but c'mon... we can't be there 100% of the time). chat filters are, for the most part, pretty useless. they're very easy to get around. in gaming it's expected that some people are just there to fuck with others who are more sensitive, but it's a fair point that some things just never need to be said. if we're on the server, we'll generally mute people like 1 Legas who are obviously only there to throw racial slurs around for a reaction, but again it's just not realistic to expect staff to be on the server 24 hours a day.
I am sorry for my bad tone. I am frustrated because I see a good server being taken over by toxic players who think they can run the server with their aimbots and racism bs. I also see it REALLY DIFFICULT to submit evidence, but REALLY EASY to lowkey aimbot. This is a terrible balance that I believe only leads to a toxic gaming culture. It's a fun game and people should be able to play it with friends without all the extra drama and toxicity. The scripts should do all the work for you. If not, then I think the developers ought to know and out to fix them.
i agree that there is a pretty big problem with cheaters, but there has been for over 5 years now. over that time our servers have been able to keep that problem mostly under control. in this case, the dude you thought was cheating wasn't.
it's definitely much easier to cheat than to catch a cheater, but there's only so much we can do. aloha servers have always been among the best-moderated servers in my experience (and i've been staff for a lot of different servers), despite not relying on scripts to ban people for us.
i guess fundamentally we just have different views on what anticheat scripts should be doing for a server. to me, they should serve primarily as indicators that someone is worth checking out.
when hit detection is done on the client, relying on server-side scripts to automatically ban people for aimbotting just doesnât make sense to me. especially in a game where high ping is nowhere near as big a disadvantage as in most others (and in some cases even an advantage) itâs too easy for weird cases to pop up, and what happens when an innocent player is banned by a script? if we trust them to ban then we should continue to trust them in an appeal, and that leaves someone banned when theyâve done nothing wrong - unless they admit to something they didnât do.
i would personally rather let several cheaters play than ban a single innocent player, and letting a computer decide just isnât fair. i think the majority of staff here share this opinion
itâs definitely frustrating, but in a game like this where weâve had no updates in such a long time and cheats have been publicly available pretty much from day 1, thereâs not a lot to be done beyond what we already have while being fair to the majority community of fair players.
sorry for the wall of text that ended up way longer than i expected
I think itâs ok for him to be kicked for that. Worse case scenario, he decides to build more next round OR lower the sensitivity of his aimbot. 