This is in connection to my last post about getting a build ban for destroying a bridge. This one however is 4 PM CST playing Babel. Whoever the admin was that was on decided that on the map where you spawn in cave, it was griefing to sent tent to the top of the mountain. Claiming the tower was only halfway done. Again another example of an admin decided how players are allowed to play the game. Stairs were already built to the top. I usually start building the bridge early so by the time the tower is done. so is the bridge. But apparently I’m not allowed to play any other way than what so far 2 admins allow me to do.
Admins need to have a sit down, and stop this banning for random calls, on what they consider, “not their way to play”. Babel is a creative game mode, and everyone is entitled to play how they like. Short of actual griefing, build bans are being abused. Very long time player, and never seen this ridiculousness before.
I was the one that disabled you the construction, you were trying to raise the tent so that “they could capture the intel faster” but as you can see in the video, your team did not have the tower ready to capture the intel, since the tower was in half way to get to the top, not everyone wants to climb up to recover HP and ammunition, you were more focused on wanting to climb the tent that not realized that your tower was not in the conditions necessary.
You were only thinking about yourself or what you thought was convenient for your team but you were not realizing the situation in witch you were trying to do and the situation in which the other members of your team were.
And that is rule breaking? Not considering the state of someone elses playing? Do you even know what I was going to do once having it up? Build a bridge, and stairs like normal. I find it extremely abusive to build ban for not doing something at a certain time, and not breaking rules. Not griefing because I provided a way to the tent while I worked on the bridge. Just because some players don’t like something a certain way shouldn’t be cause for bans. There’s been lots of times where people are doing things I don’t like at the time. But when finished and working with or around them, we complete our goals together, and without deciding how one another should be allowed to play the game. Pretty sure everyone should be entitled to play their way, unless it’s breaking rules, or intentionally griefing.
First of all I just put you /tb therefore it was not ban, even so I gave you the right to build 1 minute after you were disabled thinking that you had already understood.
I usually act when something is hurting the team and this was one of those, as I said before, you were doing something unnecessary that would affect the players of your same team, there were several players trying to lower the tent that was being elevated given that he did not allow them to recharge anything, on the other hand if the tower had been complete and ready to capture the intel this would not have happened… what more reasons do you want me to give you?
But see this still isn’t rule breaking. It may be inconvenient for some. But again I wasn’t the only one trying to accomplish this task. It’s not done to intentionally hurt the team. It’s done to advance the game. Just because it’s inconvenient at the time, doesn’t mean it’s going to remain so. I don’t like the idea that you admins are deciding who can do what, when, and how. In a creative game like Babel especially. No form of ban TB or otherwise should be getting thrown around because it’s not the way you would do it.
if it’s inconvenient at the time then you are hurting your team whether you intend to or not, which is considered griefing, which is rule breaking
But see this still isn't rule breaking.That an action becomes inconvenient for some players for me is already against the rules and needs to be treated.
It may be inconvenient for some. But again I wasn't the only one trying to accomplish this task.Yes, you did not the only one who tried to do it there was also another player trying to do it but once I explained the situation he understood and he stopped doing it.
It's not done to intentionally hurt the team. It's done to advance the game. Just because it's inconvenient at the time, doesn't mean it's going to remain so.Can you see the situation where you are doing that? You are trying to raise the tent when you have almost all the opposing team on the platform above, instead of concentrating in climbing the tent you must see the situation of your team and how your actions can affect your team at that time.
I don't like the idea that you admins are deciding who can do what, when, and how. In a creative game like Babel especially. No form of ban TB or otherwise should be getting thrown around because it's not the way you would do it.I do not take preferences towards any player and I do not decide what other players have to do, I only guide them for the correct side if they are doing something that harms their team and if they manage to understand,perfect, otherwise I will take action as I just did to do with you.
I have nothing more to clarify / add here, if I find someone doing the same as in this situation whether it’s you or another player I will also take same action.
So you’re saying go ahead and start bugging admins if someone is doing something I find inconvenient? Seems silly but okay. Walls that I have to build stairs over, inconvenient, what if I just want to walk forward. Stairs over my stairs, inconvenient. Inconvenience as seen in the other thread is not defined as griefing. Denying player movement is, which wasn’t done, since stairs were built. Like I said you admins need to sit down and figure out what are actually rules and what is just admins being dicks and randomly banning people for non offenses.
Why don’t admins play the way everyone else does? If you don’t like what someone is doing, work with or work around. Saying I can’t move a tent early, because it may inconvenience some players at one part of the game, is not rule breaking, it’s just you trying to decide how players are allowed to play a certain map. So please sit down with Pepe and figure out how to play like everyone else. Work around or work with, but don’t ban players from building because you think it’s affecting someone negatively, or in order to make players conform to your strategy. It may be your strategy but not mine. Everyone else gets along just fine.
here’s a rule: making the tent (the only source of blocks short of suicide) hard for your team’s tower builders (the men who need a lot of blocks) to access with no immediate benefit is griefing
Seeing as how I’m a tower builder and the one who wanted to move the tent up, along with others, seems like it only inconvenienced a couple players. Last I checked a few doesn’t make up the majority. Since the votekick for the same reason failed, it seems that no one cared but Megastar and the votekicker. So are all inconveniences going to start being met with such quick action? If not, then this is still a case of one of two admins who just ban building on players who aren’t playing the way they like, even if it’s not rule breaking. So again, abuse of building bans. Either admins can sit down and make rules for each map, or terrible blanket rules. Or fuck off and let me play my game and help my team how I see fit. Doesn’t matter if two people want to cry about it. Get over it, work around it, or help.
You inconvenience half the players who wanted to build the tent up and work on the bridge. Please ban yourself. Again, walking up stairs to a tent, is not inconvenient. It’s that map progressing. So get off your high horses, own up to and stop trying to force people to play specific ways on certain maps. If I see a way to benefit my team, but another disagrees with me, it should be left at that a disagreement. Get over it, work with it, or work around it. But admins should not be throwing out build bans, because they disagree with a player. It should be left to griefers.
you’re not listening… what you’re doing is indistinguishable from griefing for us, no matter what you say it is. you are making it harder for your team to win, because you are making an important resource hard to access for your team’s tower builders. we do what we believe is best for the server, and in this case we don’t believe what you’re doing is in line with that, which is why your building was disabled.
please try to look at it from our perspective. you’re really coming across as though you just want your way, which is fair enough. we try to let people do what they want as much as possible, but not when it gets in the way of a fair game, and from our perspective what you’re doing is getting in the way for the reasons i’ve already stated
You’re not listening. You don’t see it from my perspective, as a game player, who is helping his team whether or not you agree with the timing of a project. Is still helping. Just because you see something as a minor hindrance for a moment, doesn’t mean you should step in and decide to punish a player because he isn’t playing exactly as you wish.
It’s clear that admins will just do what they want no matter what. So why bother. Hopefully my actions won’t inconvenience any players any further. And end up breaking more imaginary rules. Fuck the admins that do this shit.
- SJW sounding in my perspective
- If you see a way to benefit your team, make the benefit thing more easy for them to get instead by that i mean what topo said about the immediate beneft
- If it’s clear it’s true but the rules are there, and they say it counts as griefing, I probably agree with that. Since the rules are there, I think it is kinda invalid to say “It’s clear that admins will just do what ever they want no matter what.” even though you have you rights but it kinda sounds wrong. I know one guy in another forum that did that, look where that got him. But he isnt out of that community. I am staff in another forum for another game and I know these guys are good and are not being the type of admin that you said.
Yeah it’s not inconvenient, it gives a disadvantage. Why not just build a wall to cover the tent, that connects to stairs in a way? The only person I see owning up in a way is you. You get over it. I don’t care if you get unbanned, you’re still a pisswasser.
I’ve seen players building the tent up right at the beginning where there wasn’t even a tower started. It really made it harder for the team which… inevitably lost because they couldn’t access the tent to resupply. Think more about your actions. often actions you think helps might do the opposite and frustrate people. As a CS_arena player that plays babel only once in a while, Everytime i play babel my game gets ruined by someone in my own team doing something which is a nuisance for the entire team.
Don’t be that someone and ASK to your team if it bothers them if you do a certain action I.E. Cutting bridges or raising up tent for faster captures. Make sure its always for the benefit of the team rather then your own.
btw, having a bridge on that map just make the map even longer cause you gotta build the damn thing. Bring the tent up when the tower is complete and you have a functional bridge so your team can still capture.
I couldn’t care less about babel getting griefers and shit, but i would like the few times I go on it being actually playable
I can see what topo and megastar are saying but this is not always the case, especially in babel where the main objective is to cap the intel.
In the beginning of the babel match I would consider this griefing but if the tower is already built and having the tent up would allow us to cap the intel faster then I wouldn’t consider that griefing even if those who are only killing have a harder access to the tent to refuel because the objective of babel is to cap not kill. killing is fun but winning is funner imo
I have used this strategy on that map before, but I always make a clear way up and start the bridge before bringing up the tent.
Not only does it help building when your tower is near complete but capping is faster.