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Offline israelleelll

Trusted /tb
« on: August 10, 2016, 07:41:58 AM HST »
After spending 20 minutes cleaning up the mess of someone so dense they think switching teams to block the enemies tower, our tower, is a legitimate strategy I've come to the realization that you cannot win against a griefer. Try as you might you'll end up spending all of your time, otherwise spent actually enjoying the gameplay, constantly unblocking your tower because of 1 guy. Eventually It gets the point that you give up (forfeiting the game because nobody else can unblock the tower), starting a vk (they rarely ever pass for a legitimate reason), switching teams, or leaving the game entirely. No matter what this is entirely counterproductive to the babel game mode and is cancerous in the fullest sense.

What I propose is that trusted players or maybe even only selected trusted players be given the command to disable building. Obviously I don't expect the administration to jump at the proposal especially with the recent breaches of trust but it's a workable idea. Some alternate solutions would be trusted players only have the ability to take away someones building rights for a short amount of time, 5 or 10 minutes, and/or the trusted /tb only taking effect in the protected tower area. I don't see the abuse of this command getting out of hand but if it was abused remember that trusted is always a privilege and never a right.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2016, 08:11:39 AM HST by israelleelll »

Offline GuardiaN

Re: Trusted /tb*
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2016, 08:00:58 AM HST »
Umm... /dB is the "destroy box" command
I think you're referring to /tb (toggle build) command, if you can, be sure to edit this asap
« Last Edit: August 10, 2016, 08:03:04 AM HST by GuardiaN »
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Offline Kuunikal

Re: Trusted /tb
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2016, 08:02:53 AM HST »
I think it's /tb (togglebuild) but it might be different on aloha.

I do not think trusted players should be given access to commands that regulate servers. They are trusted for a reason; they are trustworthy, but they may not be mature enough or know when/how to use the command. They are given enough perks, IMO, by being able to break protected blocks and have votekick protection, but I think that any more than the already-determined perks are not acceptable.

Basically, I do not think that trusted members shouldn't have administrative tools at their hands.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2016, 08:04:54 AM HST by Kuunikal »
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Offline GuardiaN

Re: Trusted /db
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2016, 08:05:44 AM HST »
How about a Trusted+ rank which adds this command. It filters out all of the mischievous trusted users and it will have a stricter(?) evaluation before judging if someone is worthy of it.


(Well you have this command when you are a guard so yeah...not really worth the trouble to make a rank like this)
« Last Edit: August 10, 2016, 08:11:32 AM HST by GuardiaN »
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Offline israelleelll

Re: Trusted /tb
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2016, 08:11:06 AM HST »
I think it's /tb (togglebuild) but it might be different on aloha.

I do not think trusted players should be given access to commands that regulate servers. They are trusted for a reason; they are trustworthy, but they may not be mature enoughxoke or know when/how to use the command. They are given enough perks, IMO, by being able to break protected blocks and have votekick protection, but I think that any more than the already-determined perks are not acceptable.

Basically, I do not think that trusted members shouldn't have administrative tools at their hands.

xoke is no longer trusted fyi. This is also why I said "selected trusted players" and brought up the idea of a nerfed /tb that only effects the tower area. With school starting up and admins/gaurds working and living a life outside of aos this place is going to get very understaffed come fall. It's not like I'm calling for trusted players to be given the ability to ban everybody and screw the servers to dust. This simply means we wont have to sit by the tower like guard dogs for 2 hours or until a admin gets on and undo the mess one person makes. A person can already leave and come back to evade a /tb.

Offline Kuunikal

Re: Trusted /db
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2016, 08:16:12 AM HST »
How about a Trusted+ rank which adds this command. It filters out all of the mischievous trusted users and it will have a stricter(?) evaluation before judging if you are worthy of it.

Trusted+, seriously? What is this, a Minecraft rank server?
Mischievous trusted users shouldn't be trusted in the first place.
Trusted does not mean 'good at making decisions".

If anything, put the guideline in the trusted application instructions (something like "... you must be good at judging a situation and making a good decision to use /tb...") but doesn't that seem like it would be in a guard app instead?

Like I said before, 'trusted' doesn't mean 'good at moderating'. It isn't a trusted player's job to do so. If they want to moderate, apply for guard.

xoke is no longer trusted fyi. This is also why I said "selected trusted players" and brought up the idea of a nerfed /tb that only effects the tower area. With school starting up and admins/gaurds working and living a life outside of aos this place is going to get very understaffed come fall. It's not like I'm calling for trusted players to be given the ability to ban everybody and screw the servers to dust. This simply means we wont have to sit by the tower like guard dogs for 2 hours or until a admin gets on and undo the mess one person makes. A person can already leave and come back to evade a /tb.

Selected trusted users would be complicated. Like I said above, I don't think it's their job to moderate servers, regardless of the command or how it will be used.

It would be nice to see more guards ;), so hopefully there can be more active staff during school and stuff.
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Offline GuardiaN

Re: Trusted /tb
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2016, 08:19:43 AM HST »
"That only affects the tower area"

If this were to be made, don't do it coordinate specific. If a person blazes a block on a specific z coordinate, the nerfed /tb'd person cannot build on that z-line coordinate.

Edit: kuunikal, every gaming community has ranks :P
Also please clear your stance in this, I don't know if you want this to be implemented or if this shouldn't be implemented [same goes for me but I already like the idea of this because an extra rank is much easier and more manageable than selecting specific players in the trusted list to be given this extra command (mostly resulting in confusion within the staff community)]
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Offline Kuunikal

Re: Trusted /tb
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2016, 09:45:07 AM HST »
kuunikal, every gaming community has ranks :P
Also please clear your stance in this, I don't know if you want this to be implemented or if this shouldn't be implemented [same goes for me but I already like the idea of this because an extra rank is much easier and more manageable than selecting specific players in the trusted list to be given this extra command (mostly resulting in confusion within the staff community)]

Every community has ranks but I was jokingly comparing it to a Minecraft server and how they have really dumb rank names (Donator, Donator+, Donator++, etc. crappy rank names).

My opinion is that the rank/perk shouldn't be implemented because they are unnecessary and will further complicate things, make more room for abuse, and not be the right job for a trusted user.

Also, Trusted+ users SHOULDN'T be considered staff, because how would they really be staff if they only have 1 command they can use (another reason the rank is barely necessary).

Apply for guard if you want to help regulate the servers.
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Offline AEM

Re: Trusted /tb
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2016, 10:07:09 AM HST »
This has been brought up a few times if I recall correctly, and the general consensus was against giving togglebuild to trusted. The line between a guard and trusted should be a clear one and giving trusted or even certain ones /tb would make them bear a responsibility that can be abused or one that can't be delivered.

There's a reason why we have a long application process for guards and that's to ensure a staff member abuses their powers, and even then some get a God complex and abuse their powers or use it for self-interest. To me, an abusive staff member would do more harm than a rampant griefer, including tarnishing our name and potentially losing players who put their trust upon us to not abuse. You can always come into the IRC and report the griefer (yes, sometimes nobody responds) or record and report on the forums.

Offline israelleelll

Re: Trusted /tb
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2016, 10:49:22 AM HST »
This has been brought up a few times if I recall correctly, and the general consensus was against giving togglebuild to trusted. The line between a guard and trusted should be a clear one and giving trusted or even certain ones /tb would make them bear a responsibility that can be abused or one that can't be delivered.

There's a reason why we have a long application process for guards and that's to ensure a staff member abuses their powers, and even then some get a God complex and abuse their powers or use it for self-interest. To me, an abusive staff member would do more harm than a rampant griefer, including tarnishing our name and potentially losing players who put their trust upon us to not abuse. You can always come into the IRC and report the griefer (yes, sometimes nobody responds) or record and report on the forums.


Aye but has an extremely nerfed /tb been discussed? At the very max I'm talking about general /tb but as trusted aren't gaurds or admins It is indeed unrealistic. What about a nerfed /tb that trusted members would have to apply for that only disables someones building for say 5 minutes and even then only disables their ability to build in the protected tower area. Call it trusted+ or something. This way gaurds and up wouldn't have to take time out of their day to help a trusted player protect their own tower, which often costs the match for their team, and we can all continue playing without a great inconvenience for multiple people over 1 person.